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Jewish activists want to pray on Jerusalem’s Temple Mount, raising alarm in Muslim world 

By William Booth and Ruth Eglash, Published: December 2

 

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JERUSALEM — A small but growing movement by Jewish activists demanding the right to pray at the site of their destroyed temple, in the heart of this disputed capital’s Old City, is creating a potentially explosive clash with the Muslim world, which considers the spot holy and bans Jews from public worship there. Each week, hundreds of Jews ascend the creaky wooden ramp built above the Western Wall and enter what is often called the most contested real estate on Earth. Many then embark upon a game of hide-and-seek with their police escorts — whispering forbidden prayers while pretending to talk into cellphones, and getting in quick but banned bows by dropping coins and then bending to pick them up.

 

“We’re looking for it to be divided between Jews and Muslims,” said Aviad Visoli, chairman of the Temple Mount Organizations, which claims 27 groups under its umbrella. “Today, Jews realize the Western Wall is not enough. They want to go to the real thing.” Two millenniums ago, this place was the site of the Jews’ Second Temple, destroyed in A.D. 70 by Roman legions under Titus, who cast the Jews into exile. The Western Wall, visited by 10 million people a year, is part of the remaining rampart built around the raised temple complex.

 

Together, the wall and the site of the destroyed temple are the holiest landmarks in Judaism. The same courtyard is home to al-Aqsa mosque, one of the oldest in Islam, and the Dome of the Rock, the golden landmark where tradition says the prophet Mohammad made his night journey to heaven.

 

For Palestinians and much of the Muslim world, any mention of changing the status quo at the site, the third-holiest in Islam, is incendiary. Protecting al-Aqsa has been a rallying cry for generations. “This place belongs to the Muslim people, and no others have the right to pray here,” said Sheik Azzam al-Khatib, director of the Waqf, the Islamic trust that administers the site. Khatib said the mosque is a unifying symbol for the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims. “If they try to take over the mosque, this will be the end of time,” Khatib warned. “This will create rage and anger not only in the West Bank but all over the Islamic world — and only God knows what will happen.”

 

The site, like all of Jerusalem’s Old City, was under Jordanian control until 1967, when it was captured by Israel during the Six-Day War. The Waqf administers and protects the site. Israeli police also patrol the area and accompany Jewish visitors while they visit. Non-Muslim tourists are welcome to wander freely around the grounds. But non-Muslim prayer is forbidden. Jews in religious garb are taken aside at the entrance by Israeli security officers, screened more closely and sternly warned not to pray, bow, sing, tear their clothes in mourning or display any religious items.

 

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Why cant it be shaaared?! Y'all believe in the same god! 



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I don't see any positive outcome here.

 

Orthodox Jews want to destroy Masjid al-Aqsa in order to build the Third Temple before the arrival of whom they believe to be the messiah in the Jewish year of 6000 (2240 CE). Obviously, this would indeed ignite a devastating clash--remember the last Intifada was sparked by Ariel Sharon marching onto the Temple Mount ahead of his election as PM. 

 

As for Muslims, it is our belief that the Dajjal will besiege al-Aqsa, where he will encounter Hazrat Isa (a.s.). This fits with the conjecture that the messiah the Jews are waiting for would actually be Dajjal (as the real messiah was Hazrat Isa, as Muslims and Christians believe).

 

The endgame is beginning to play out. :)



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^ hmmm overpopulation, energy crisis, fresh water running out, melting of the icecaps, increase CO2 in the atmosphere, WMDs, These will all play a part in our doom I suppose. 



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^ hmmm overpopulation, energy crisis, fresh water running out, melting of the icecaps, increase CO2 in the atmosphere, WMDs, These will all play a part in our doom I suppose. 

 

For sure, even most conflicts today are all about resources when it comes down to it. I suppose the final doom for humanity would be between groups that will be based on a confluence of ideological and geopolitical concerns. (i.e. potential scenario: Israel and Muslim states opposing one another on ideological grounds, U.S. backing Israel and China backing Muslim states to further their own goals of influence + access in the region).



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For sure, even most conflicts today are all about resources when it comes down to it. I suppose the final doom for humanity would be between groups that will be based on a confluence of ideological and geopolitical concerns. (i.e. potential scenario: Israel and Muslim states opposing one another on ideological grounds, U.S. backing Israel and China backing Muslim states to further their own goals of influence + access in the region).

 

On another note, glad I won't be around in 2240 :P 

 

or perhaps I might be (in a cryogenic chamber, hopefully on a distant planet :P)



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For sure, even most conflicts today are all about resources when it comes down to it. I suppose the final doom for humanity would be between groups that will be based on a confluence of ideological and geopolitical concerns. (i.e. potential scenario: Israel and Muslim states opposing one another on ideological grounds, U.S. backing Israel and China backing Muslim states to further their own goals of influence + access in the region).

 

wasn't there some reference about Muslims and Christians joining forces against a combine enemy before the so called end games?


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wasn't there some reference about Muslims and Christians joining forces against a combine enemy before the so called end games?


Yep.

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Let's talk about sharing the mosque later, how about Israel stop the torture on the Palestinians first? Hmmm, thoughtful thing to do no?


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^^

its like expecting a monkey to giv up loving bananas......i dont think they will unless they are forced to do so 


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Yeah well, force is on their side actually.


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We're in 2013. 

Hard to believe people still believe in stuff like this.

So medieval it all seems. 

 

 

Having said that, I do think the end of us would not necessarily be down to our own doing or conflict. Think we'll deteriorate living conditions for ourselves on this planet, but won't make it completely unlivable just yet. Think very likely the end of us would be down to an asteroid colliding with us, much like the cretaceous-Paleogene extinction event, the one that took out the non-avian dinosaurs.

 

We'll make things worse and worse, I don't doubt that. But I don't think we'll completely annihilate the human species just by ourselves. 



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Yeah well, force is on their side actually.

yup! for now, but soon INSHALLAH it will be on ours. very soon!


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We're in 2013. 

Hard to believe people still believe in stuff like this.

So medieval it all seems. 

 

 

Having said that, I do think the end of us would not necessarily be down to our own doing or conflict. Think we'll deteriorate living conditions for ourselves on this planet, but won't make it completely unlivable just yet. Think very likely the end of us would be down to an asteroid colliding with us, much like the cretaceous-Paleogene extinction event, the one that took out the non-avian dinosaurs.

 

We'll make things worse and worse, I don't doubt that. But I don't think we'll completely annihilate the human species just by ourselves. 

Surprisingly, many evidence shows we will be running out of natural resources and stuff. Earth is warming up, glaciers are melting too fast. Natural disasters are on the rise.. you're telling me people wont face crisis? Loll :P


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Surprisingly, many evidence shows we will be running out of natural resources and stuff. Earth is warming up, glaciers are melting too fast. Natural disasters are on the rise.. you're telling me people wont face crisis? Loll :P

 

Oh we'll face a crisis for sure, but not extinction I don't think.



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Surprisingly, many evidence shows we will be running out of natural resources and stuff. Earth is warming up, glaciers are melting too fast. Natural disasters are on the rise.. you're telling me people wont face crisis? Loll :P

 

Precisely what VolterWight stated above.

 

We will face our issues, read my post. We will deteriorate the condition of our planet, but not to the complete extinction of homo sapiens.



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ANYWAY guys, too much doom and gloom here, jewish people want to pray at the temple mount/al-aqsa is fair don't you think? Its holy to them just like it is for the muslims, lets share and care yeah? (israel-palestine debate aside)



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ANYWAY guys, too much doom and gloom here, jewish people want to pray at the temple mount/al-aqsa is fair don't you think? Its holy to them just like it is for the muslims, lets share and care yeah? (israel-palestine debate aside)

Temple Mount share karnay mein koi harj nahi, it would be great actually to see Muslims and Jews both worshipping, but the problem is that even the Israeli Army's own rabbi has said it is a religious obligation for Jews to rebuild the Temple over the al-Aqsa site.

Jews are forbidden by religion to enter the area until the Temple is built. See the problem? They have to raze al-Aqsa to worship there.

So, how can you share it when they want to demolish what you have? Israel understands the threat and thus doesn't allow any Jews to come to worship (only tourists).

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This is done so well.

 

 

A brief history of the conflicts in the Israel/Palestine area in an animation.

 

Sums it up really well.  Funny video, until you realize how sad it is.

 

http://vimeo.com/50531435



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ANYWAY guys, too much doom and gloom here, jewish people want to pray at the temple mount/al-aqsa is fair don't you think? Its holy to them just like it is for the muslims, lets share and care yeah? (israel-palestine debate aside)

If Worship is what they have in mind, why not? But you know they dont.


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